Vitamin Z
You know, I have never thought about abortion in the context of how and where it started and whether or not it was rooted in racism. Don't get me wrong. This is an anti Obama video,and an anti choice video. I do not support either of those things. But I am prompted to do some more research into the roots of abortion and Planned Parenthood.
As with many things that are released from either the right or the left, most times they are highly inflammatory. Thus, I will take this with a grain of salt until I can investigate further.
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Stacy,
Infanticide is killing a baby outside of the womb. It is obviously a crime, legally speaking. I would assume that you object to infanticide and would not want it legalized. In that light, why are you supportive of it being legally permissible to kill a baby *inside* of the womb? Is the deliberate taking of a innocent life morally relative to that life's temporary location? Why should such a matter be dependent on one's location?
Hi Chris.
This post wasn't about the legality of abortion in as much as it was about the connection between the roots of abortion and racism. I still need to do the research to determine the validity the statements made in the blog to which I referred.
Stacy,
I wasn't referring so much to this particular post, as to your stated support for "choice" made at Zach's blog. If you support the "choice" to take the life of the baby when the baby is *inside* the womb, why not support infanticide-- the "choice" to take the baby's life *outside* of the womb?
Or, to put it another way, if you wouldn't support infanticide, why support the legal "choice" of whether or not to have an abortion? Taking an innocent life is taking an innocent life-- why should it depend on that life's temporary location (inside or outside of the mother)?
I guess we don't see things the same way. I don't necessarily support 3rd trimester,but other than that, I don't think abortion is the same thing as infanticide.
Stacy,
I understand that you don't see abortion and infanticide as the same thing. If that is your position though, what is your explanation for how abortion is actually different than infanticide? How is any "difference" between the two not a mere matter of the location of the innocent life at the time of "termination"?
P.S. I used to be "pro-choice" myself.
I know most pro-lifers hate the "for myself" argument, but I will say it anyway.
For myself, I highly doubt I would not consider abortion if the fetus was at a stage where it could live outside my body without extreme medical measures. However, if the fetus is not able to live outside my body without extreme medical procedures, I do not consider it to be a "baby" in the sense that I consider a born baby to be a baby.
This of course always brings the viability argument into play and it is hard to draw a line given people who have children who are born insanely premature and live healthy lives.
I just think we have to be careful when regulating abortion because no one can ever know why someone chooses abortion. I hate it when people use it as a birth control and don't agree with that at all. However, I also believe a woman should have the choice because the circumstance of her life may not be conducive to a child.
And I don't want to hear the adoption argument because when all the pro-lifers out there want to step up and adopt all the crack babies and otherwise physically or mentally challenged babies that mothers choose not to have, then we can talk. But, lets face it, most of these babies will remain unwanted and grow up in a terrible system.
Stacy,
If you are going to use the "they will have a terrible life" argument, please listen to just some of the painful details of my life. I have Cerebral Palsy, a physical disability. Most of the time, I use a wheelchair and am in chronic pain. My mother was bi-polar and committed suicide when I was nine. My father has been a heavy drinker, on and off, over the years.
In light of all of these things, if you're going to be consistent in your argumant, it would have been "better" for *me* to have been aborted. However, I wasn't-- and at the age of 29, God saved me amd brought me into his family. I have great joy in the midst of all of my trials-- which would not be possible if I had been aborted.
I now am a member of a church where the music leader is outspokenly anti-abortion. He and his wife have three children and are in the process of adopting a child-- to show just how much they value lives that God chose to create.
If you believe that each human being is created by God, in His image, how can you even consider having one of them killed inside your womb?
and, not "amd" :-)
No, I would never go as far to say you should have been aborted. Certainly there are many people who live full happy lives who are disabled in one way or another. I am only saying that many times, people make choices to abort for various reasons. Inability to provide for a child, healthy or otherwise, health issues of themselves or their unborn baby, lifestyle choices such as drug use and the affects on the developing fetus, and so on.
Now, to backtrack, although I would never say that you should have been aborted, I will say that I think your mother had the right to chose whether to give birth to you or not. I'm sure you are a wonderful person and all who know you are blessed to know you and glad that your mother chose to give birth to you:)
Stacy,
Why do circumstances make it okay to willfully, deliberately take an innocent life, just because that life happens to be inside the womb? Isn't putting circumstances above the right to life itself?
Isn't *that,* I mean
See Chris, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I do not see it as taking an innocent life. I see it as ending a pregnancy or ending the process of producing life.
As I reread your blog, I see that you asked me the following...
"If you believe that each human being is created by God, in His image, how can you even consider having one of them killed inside your womb?"
I don't believe that. I'm not a Christian. I often find that I and some of my Christian counterparts ultimately have to agree to disagree on many issues because as long as we don't see eye to eye on what ultimately drives us, we probably won't have much luck getting the other to change to our view point!
Stacy,
I'm sorry for misunderstanding your situation. From some of the blogs listed on your blogroll, I had thought you were a Christian. I know of an atheist who is pro-life on abortion (Village Voice columnist Nat Henthoff), but that is another subject for another time. You will be in my prayers, and please know that I don't mean that in an obnoxious or cliched way.
Hey thanks Christopher! I am always delighted to have someone praying for me. I think any kind of positive energy whether in the form of prayer, ritual, or just kind thoughts is a blessing for me.
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